TC UCAs vs Camburg UCAs

TacoMike82 · 02-07-2006, 06:17 PM

Just wondering why the Total Chaos UCAs are $600 and the Camburgs are $439? What are the differences between the two that put the premium on the TCs?

themariachi · 02-07-2006, 07:24 PM

I think it has to do with the uniball that is used.

themariachi · 02-07-2006, 07:28 PM

Ah, here it is.
http://www.off-road.com/toyota/proje..._over_compare/

genrec · 02-07-2006, 08:18 PM

Get the camburg.....better bang for the buck...you will not be able to tell any difference between the 2........

4BYnTacoma · 02-07-2006, 08:34 PM

It seems to me that I hear about uni-ball noise more from the camburg users. Something abou them not taking an extra step when installing the cup that holds the uni-ball that TC does.
I am personally waiting for the Donahoes to decide if I am gonna go with a new UCA.

joel · 02-07-2006, 08:48 PM

Total chaos uses a solid slug in place of the uniball cup when putting there control arms together. They weld it to the control arm and then machine it out to exact specs. That way the uniball fits in the cup perfectly every time. Camburg uses the cup that comes with the ball. During the welding process, the heat warps the cup, making the tolerances less consistent. This leads to premature uniball failure and noise.

Tweeter · 02-07-2006, 09:00 PM

Yea I don't hear too many other guys with the TC arms complaining. They can be tight the first month or so but are butter from there on out. I got Camburgs right now but will be using a totally different kit in a little bit here, so I'll see if I notice any difference...

themariachi · 02-07-2006, 11:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 4BYnTacoma

It seems to me that I hear about uni-ball noise more from the camburg users. Something abou them not taking an extra step when installing the cup that holds the uni-ball that TC does.
I am personally waiting for the Donahoes to decide if I am gonna go with a new UCA.

If you are going with the ex. travel hoes, you are going to have to get UCAs.

DesertTRD · 02-07-2006, 11:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joel

Total chaos uses a solid slug in place of the uniball cup when putting there control arms together. They weld it to the control arm and then machine it out to exact specs. That way the uniball fits in the cup perfectly every time. Camburg uses the cup that comes with the ball. During the welding process, the heat warps the cup, making the tolerances less consistent. This leads to premature uniball failure and noise.

they dont machine them out, they use the slug as a filler for where the uniball would be, ie the cup is still the same cup as camburg, however this doesnt cause noise from distortion not using hte slug would mean if your cups were tight to begin with then the uniball probably wont fit afterwards, which camburgs fit fine....

YoTRacer158 · 02-08-2006, 12:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 4BYnTacoma

It seems to me that I hear about uni-ball noise more from the camburg users. Something abou them not taking an extra step when installing the cup that holds the uni-ball that TC does.
I am personally waiting for the Donahoes to decide if I am gonna go with a new UCA.

Definately go with the UCA's and extended Donahoes...it's well worth the money for the extra travel and the lower roll center

genrec · 02-08-2006, 09:22 AM

I've run the Cambrurgs on my tundra without a sound....i say its whoever installs them..if they are done correctly......i have seen just as many complaint on both UCA's......i will stick to camburg on my new taco........and spend the left over money else where.

Super Doody · 02-08-2006, 03:47 PM

Another little difference I noticed is that camburg uses regular zerk fitings while total chaos 90 degree zerk fittings. Its easier to lube your bushing with the 90 degree zerk fitting. I'm thinking about swaping to the 90 degree ones.

themariachi · 02-08-2006, 03:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Super Doody

Another little difference I noticed is that camburg uses regular zerk fitings while total chaos 90 degree zerk fittings. Its easier to lube your bushing with the 90 degree zerk fitting. I'm thinking about swaping to the 90 degree ones.

That's not a bad idea.

4BYnTacoma · 02-08-2006, 04:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by themariachi

If you are going with the ex. travel hoes, you are going to have to get UCAs.

I was talking about waiting for the Donahoe upper control arms to decide if I am gonna go with some after market control arms... i will go nuts if i have to hear my truck squeaking all the time.

TORR · 02-08-2006, 04:39 PM

Have we all forgotten that Camburg dont give you new circlips with the arms? And you eat circlips because the slug adapter is machined wrong? I dont like to start stuff, but it seems that the extra $161 you spend on the TC arms gets you a little more time spent thinking out the product. By the time you buy new 90deg. zerks, a couple of circlips, and a new set of uniballs, you are above the price of the TC arms. Food for thought.

Tweeter · 02-08-2006, 04:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 4BYnTacoma

I was talking about waiting for the Donahoe upper control arms to decide if I am gonna go with some after market control arms... i will go nuts if i have to hear my truck squeaking all the time.

After awhile a part of you just gives up...you will eventually not care like the rest of us...

Super Doody · 02-08-2006, 05:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 12Tweeter12

Yea I don't hear too many other guys with the TC arms complaining. They can be tight the first month or so but are butter from there on out. I got Camburgs right now but will be using a totally different kit in a little bit here, so I'll see if I notice any difference...

I really dont think you can compare the two control based on what people say here because there are way more people here with camburg arms than people with tc ucas. You'll have have to do a direct comparision.

joel · 02-08-2006, 08:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DesertTRD

they dont machine them out, they use the slug as a filler for where the uniball would be, ie the cup is still the same cup as camburg, however this doesnt cause noise from distortion not using hte slug would mean if your cups were tight to begin with then the uniball probably wont fit afterwards, which camburgs fit fine....

The distortion of the cup would cause excessive noise and where wouldn't they? If the ball is designed for a round cup and the cup is oval, it will "rub" harder in one spot than another. Therefore adding excessive wear and noise from hard metal to metal contact. Along with lack of contact and close tolerance in other places. Please correct me if I'm wrong, it just seams obvious, right?

themariachi · 02-08-2006, 09:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 4BYnTacoma

I was talking about waiting for the Donahoe upper control arms to decide if I am gonna go with some after market control arms... i will go nuts if i have to hear my truck squeaking all the time.

You weren't clear. I get cha'.

dcpunk123 · 02-08-2006, 11:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joel

The distortion of the cup would cause excessive noise and where wouldn't they? If the ball is designed for a round cup and the cup is oval, it will "rub" harder in one spot than another. Therefore adding excessive wear and noise from hard metal to metal contact. Along with lack of contact and close tolerance in other places. Please correct me if I'm wrong, it just seams obvious, right?

uniball
the uniball is a one piece unit thats pressed into a cup
uniball cup
a uniball may not fit properly in a distorted cup

DavidTaylor9 · 02-18-2007, 08:27 AM

The Total chaos arms are more beacause insurance purposes

Supramann93 · 02-18-2007, 10:15 AM

I have the Total Chaos uppers C.A.'s, because Camburg was behind on manufacturing theirs and it might have taken a few days to a few weeks to get. I am extremely happy with the Total chaos UCAs and there was a bit of noise after "breaking them in" through mud and water but the noise subsided after a few days. We greased the hell out of them when installing.

Happysmiley · 02-18-2007, 02:26 PM

TC uses 4130 Cromo, Camburg uses DOM

joel · 02-18-2007, 07:43 PM

wow, old thread

vegaskurt · 09-12-2007, 02:11 PM

Digging this one back up since its now a $110 difference if you order them at wheelers. I'm getting ready to make my purchase and cant decide. Can anyone think of any other advantages for going with TC?

90 degree zerk on TC
4130 on TC
Higher quality Unibal on TC

jentzschman · 09-12-2007, 11:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by themariachi

Ah, here it is.
http://www.off-road.com/toyota/proje..._over_compare/

KILLER article!!!!

Thank you!

themariachi · 09-18-2007, 11:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jentzschman

KILLER article!!!!

Thank you!

**jzaiden** · 09-19-2007, 01:56 AM

Camburg does not use a Cheaper uni-ball. We use a Made in the USA Aurora. This is the same uniball used by many Trophy Truck and Class one race teams. We also use these on our race truck and never have any failures. We do may things that make our arms the best. One piece adapter for more wheel travel and less bind. All stainless steel spacers, Energy suspension urethane bushings, Zirk fittings, Bomalloy hardware way stronger than f-911. As for the squeak it is a uniball they make noise. I have these on my 2007 Tundra and with a little lube they don't make noise. You need to give to gain.

Note... the adapter (lower spacer) we use in the spindle. This i s a heat treated stainless steel part. This cost over three times more than the other guys. As for 4130 well our uniball cup is 4130 but we have our reasons for the tube to be DOM.. Same price as 4130. Don't get all cought up in the buzz words... Our arms are priced fair for what it takes to make them. We are not trying to gouge you guys. We are just charging you for our time it takes to make these and the materials. Now we do our own CNC work in house so maybe this is one of the reasons why you get a better price on a Camburg part.

sk8erkidGK · 09-19-2007, 11:47 PM

not a camburg man, but you can't beat the price, spend the extra money on another truck investment!

S/CTaco · 09-20-2007, 03:31 PM

Do either of the UCA companies have warranties for their products? Like insure proper fit, angles, allignment, ect.?

02-07-2006, 06:17 PM	#1
TacoMike82 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Camp Taji, Iraq Posts: 180	TC UCAs vs Camburg UCAs Just wondering why the Total Chaos UCAs are $600 and the Camburgs are $439? What are the differences between the two that put the premium on the TCs? __________________ 2007 FJ Cruiser, 6 Speed, RoughCountry 3" Spacer, 17x9 DC-1, 33x12.5 MT Baja Claws, TRD CAI, Flowmaster 40 Series, URD ShortShifter 2009 Access Cab Taco, 4x4, 6 Speed, TRD Off Road, 3" ToyTec Spacer, Toy Tec AAL, 17x9 ATX Artillery, 285/70/17 Goodyear Duratracs, TRD CAI, Flowmaster 40 Series

02-07-2006, 08:34 PM	#5
4BYnTacoma Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: South OC, CA Posts: 360	It seems to me that I hear about uni-ball noise more from the camburg users. Something abou them not taking an extra step when installing the cup that holds the uni-ball that TC does. I am personally waiting for the Donahoes to decide if I am gonna go with a new UCA. __________________ 2004 V6 5spd 4x4: 2.5 CF Spacers, Bilstein HD's, Deaver 3 Leaf AAL, Rancho 9000's, 15x8 Black Rock Crawlers, 32x1150 BFG Muds Last edited by 4BYnTacoma; 02-07-2006 at 08:37 PM.

02-07-2006, 08:48 PM	#6
joel Mud’s the devil Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Central OR Posts: 1,754	Total chaos uses a solid slug in place of the uniball cup when putting there control arms together. They weld it to the control arm and then machine it out to exact specs. That way the uniball fits in the cup perfectly every time. Camburg uses the cup that comes with the ball. During the welding process, the heat warps the cup, making the tolerances less consistent. This leads to premature uniball failure and noise. __________________ FOR SALE Built 95.5, std. cab, Manual, 3.4 v6 Tacoma http://www.tacomaterritory.com/forum...d.php?t=146226

02-07-2006, 09:00 PM	#7
Tweeter Desert Moderator Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: LFC/SD So Cal Posts: 4,570	Yea I don't hear too many other guys with the TC arms complaining. They can be tight the first month or so but are butter from there on out. I got Camburgs right now but will be using a totally different kit in a little bit here, so I'll see if I notice any difference... __________________ www.chaosfab.com www.foxracing.com www.deaverspring.com www.mullenfabworks.com My truck is for sale!!! *- "When a cop flashes his lights at you he's not really* asking you to pull over. He's challenging you to a race." - The Book of the Piece**

02-08-2006, 03:47 PM	#12
Super Doody Hot Showers and Blow Jobs Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cali Forever Posts: 1,470	Another little difference I noticed is that camburg uses regular zerk fitings while total chaos 90 degree zerk fittings. Its easier to lube your bushing with the 90 degree zerk fitting. I'm thinking about swaping to the 90 degree ones. __________________ Jim 2003 4x4 V6 TRD SC with URD kit, Aquamist 2D, 2.2 Gen 2 Super Grip Pulley, Donahoe Coilovers, Camburg UCAs, Deaver Leaf Pack, Goodyear MTR 265/75/16, Alpine 9830, Sirius Sat. Alp1., Corbeau Legacy Seats,

02-07-2006, 07:24 PM	#2
themariachi asdf Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,070	I think it has to do with the uniball that is used.

02-07-2006, 07:28 PM	#3
themariachi asdf Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,070	Ah, here it is. http://www.off-road.com/toyota/proje..._over_compare/

02-07-2006, 08:18 PM	#4
genrec Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 267	Get the camburg.....better bang for the buck...you will not be able to tell any difference between the 2........

02-08-2006, 09:22 AM	#11
genrec Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 267	I've run the Cambrurgs on my tundra without a sound....i say its whoever installs them..if they are done correctly......i have seen just as many complaint on both UCA's......i will stick to camburg on my new taco........and spend the left over money else where.

02-08-2006, 04:39 PM	#15
TORR Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: San Luis Obispo, CA Posts: 113	Have we all forgotten that Camburg dont give you new circlips with the arms? And you eat circlips because the slug adapter is machined wrong? I dont like to start stuff, but it seems that the extra $161 you spend on the TC arms gets you a little more time spent thinking out the product. By the time you buy new 90deg. zerks, a couple of circlips, and a new set of uniballs, you are above the price of the TC arms. Food for thought. __________________ ------------------------------------------------------- True Off-Road Systems danf@trueoffroad.com (805)784-9418

02-18-2007, 10:15 AM	#22
Supramann93 Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: NorCal Posts: 758	I have the Total Chaos uppers C.A.'s, because Camburg was behind on manufacturing theirs and it might have taken a few days to a few weeks to get. I am extremely happy with the Total chaos UCAs and there was a bit of noise after "breaking them in" through mud and water but the noise subsided after a few days. We greased the hell out of them when installing. __________________ SOLD 2004 Tacoma X-Cab SOLD 2007 FJ Cruiser SOLD 1997 FJ80 LandCruiser Current: 1998 Tacoma X-Cab 4x4 Limited Completely stock except for radio

02-18-2007, 02:26 PM	#23
Happysmiley Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Rancho Santa Margarita, CA Posts: 838	TC uses 4130 Cromo, Camburg uses DOM __________________ FOR SALE 98 3.4l v6 5 speed manual 5 lug Tacoma http://www.ttora.com/forum/showthread.php?t=143687

02-18-2007, 07:43 PM	#24
joel Mud’s the devil Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Central OR Posts: 1,754	wow, old thread __________________ FOR SALE Built 95.5, std. cab, Manual, 3.4 v6 Tacoma http://www.tacomaterritory.com/forum...d.php?t=146226

09-12-2007, 02:11 PM	#25
vegaskurt Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Reno NV Posts: 452	Digging this one back up since its now a $110 difference if you order them at wheelers. I'm getting ready to make my purchase and cant decide. Can anyone think of any other advantages for going with TC? 90 degree zerk on TC 4130 on TC Higher quality Unibal on TC __________________ 1997 Limited 4runner \| Stubbs Sliders \| Budbuilt Skid+belly \| Homemade Front / Rear Bumpers

09-19-2007, 01:56 AM	#28
jzaiden Newbie TTORA GOLD Sponsor Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 270	Camburg does not use a Cheaper uni-ball. We use a Made in the USA Aurora. This is the same uniball used by many Trophy Truck and Class one race teams. We also use these on our race truck and never have any failures. We do may things that make our arms the best. One piece adapter for more wheel travel and less bind. All stainless steel spacers, Energy suspension urethane bushings, Zirk fittings, Bomalloy hardware way stronger than f-911. As for the squeak it is a uniball they make noise. I have these on my 2007 Tundra and with a little lube they don't make noise. You need to give to gain. Note... the adapter (lower spacer) we use in the spindle. This i s a heat treated stainless steel part. This cost over three times more than the other guys. As for 4130 well our uniball cup is 4130 but we have our reasons for the tube to be DOM.. Same price as 4130. Don't get all cought up in the buzz words... Our arms are priced fair for what it takes to make them. We are not trying to gouge you guys. We are just charging you for our time it takes to make these and the materials. Now we do our own CNC work in house so maybe this is one of the reasons why you get a better price on a Camburg part. __________________ Camburg Engineering, your #1 solution for performance suspension on your off-road truck! Main Camburg Webpage http://www.camburg.com 2005 Toyota Tacoma Page http://www.camburg.com/tacomaP05.html 1995-2004 Toyota Tacoma page http://www.camburg.com/tacomaP.html

09-19-2007, 11:47 PM	#29
sk8erkidGK Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Point Loma Posts: 340	not a camburg man, but you can't beat the price, spend the extra money on another truck investment! __________________ 2002 Tacoma v6 4x4 Total Chaos LT w/ 2.5 Kings 33 Goodyear Wrangler Silent Armor Deaver Replacement Pack w/ Bilstein 5150's TRD headers & exhaust TRD Supercharger URD 7th, 2.2 pulley

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